GPL and the Mac App Store

Christopher Forsythe chris at
Tue Jan 11 23:51:07 UTC 2011

The problem is that the work that was done didn't produce anything.
The whole thing was supposed to be a big wrapper around objc
libraries, which turned into a "oh hey let's just use this other linux
library!" thing.

Ofri and you did put in a lot of work, but in the end it wasn't a lot
of work that produced very much in a way of making the project viable,
which is essentially why the project failed.

On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 5:43 PM, David Smith < at> wrote:
> That's not true. Ofri (and to a lesser extent me) wrote quite a bit of
> code, and had some interesting stuff working. The project stopped
> because Ofri burned out from working too hard on it for a whole year.
>        David
> On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Christopher Forsythe <chris at> wrote:
>> Chatkit was indeed a separate short lived project. Essentially it
>> started off with a lot of planning, and then some people wanted to
>> depend on pre-existing libraries. Not a lot of real work was done,
>> which is why the project eventually stopped.
>> Chris
>> On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 5:32 PM, BJ Homer <bjhomer at> wrote:
>>> </lurk>
>>> While we're talking about crazy ideas, I know there was a project called
>>> ChatKit a while ago. As I understood it, it was essentially going to
>>> implement the various IM protocols in Obj-C and provide a simple Obj-C API
>>> for them. (I believe Adium developers were involved in it, so please correct
>>> me if I'm wrong.) If that's the case… well, would anyone have interest in
>>> resurrecting that project? If libpurple is the dependency dependency that
>>> prohibits inclusion in the Mac App Store, is it worth investigating
>>> replacing it?
>>> I acknowledge that this wouldn't be a quick solution; petitioning Apple to
>>> make the App Store licensing terms GPL-compatible in the meantime is not a
>>> bad option. But if that doesn't happen… well, how badly do people want Adium
>>> to be on the Mac App Store? If a framework like ChatKit were the only
>>> option, is there enough interest in the Mac App Store to explore that option
>>> again?
>>> I'd be willing to help. I've been needing a good open source project to work
>>> on for a while.
>>> -BJ
>>> On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Zachary West <zacw at> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 18:08, Christopher Forsythe <chris at>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Stephen Holt <sholt at> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Jan 11, 2011, at 2:59 PM, Christopher Forsythe wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> Can any of the libraries be taken out of adium in order to reduce this
>>>>> >> number?
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > libglib is the big one, and no - libpurple depends on libglib.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> That's fine, I'd just need to start preparing to find all of these
>>>>> people and making a list.
>>>>> Do we know what kind of permission we'd need to ask for? Is something
>>>>> like this adequate? "hey, we want make adium easier to download for
>>>>> users, and we have to do x, y, and z to do that. We need your
>>>>> permission in order to do that. Is it ok?"
>>>>> Is the intention to put Adium in the store for free or for sale?
>>>> This isn't going to happen, there's a huge amount of people who have
>>>> contributed to the projects. If even only one of them isn't contactable or
>>>> reachable it's gone. We basically need to relicense a core set of GPL
>>>> libraries and that isn't going to happen.
>>>> It would be free.
>>>> I'm going to write a blogpost and hopefully have our users spam Apple with
>>>> complaints. Not much more we can do.
>>>> Zac

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