GPL and the Mac App Store

Christopher Forsythe chris at growl.info
Wed Jan 12 00:00:12 UTC 2011


On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Evan Schoenberg, M.D.
<evan.s at dreskin.net> wrote:
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> On Jan 11, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Christopher Forsythe wrote:
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>> The problem is that the work that was done didn't produce anything.
>> The whole thing was supposed to be a big wrapper around objc
>> libraries, which turned into a "oh hey let's just use this other linux
>> library!" thing.
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> I think that's unfair.  Reimplementing the protocols themselves is not a good use of human resources, and this wasn't - as far as I recall - an intention of the project.
>


Regardless the past history isn't relevant to the conversation at
hand, I'm going to just drop it.

> -Evan
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>> Ofri and you did put in a lot of work, but in the end it wasn't a lot
>> of work that produced very much in a way of making the project viable,
>> which is essentially why the project failed.
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>> On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 5:43 PM, David Smith <catfish.man at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> That's not true. Ofri (and to a lesser extent me) wrote quite a bit of
>>> code, and had some interesting stuff working. The project stopped
>>> because Ofri burned out from working too hard on it for a whole year.
>>>
>>>        David
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Christopher Forsythe <chris at growl.info> wrote:
>>>> Chatkit was indeed a separate short lived project. Essentially it
>>>> started off with a lot of planning, and then some people wanted to
>>>> depend on pre-existing libraries. Not a lot of real work was done,
>>>> which is why the project eventually stopped.
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 5:32 PM, BJ Homer <bjhomer at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> </lurk>
>>>>> While we're talking about crazy ideas, I know there was a project called
>>>>> ChatKit a while ago. As I understood it, it was essentially going to
>>>>> implement the various IM protocols in Obj-C and provide a simple Obj-C API
>>>>> for them. (I believe Adium developers were involved in it, so please correct
>>>>> me if I'm wrong.) If that's the case… well, would anyone have interest in
>>>>> resurrecting that project? If libpurple is the dependency dependency that
>>>>> prohibits inclusion in the Mac App Store, is it worth investigating
>>>>> replacing it?
>>>>> I acknowledge that this wouldn't be a quick solution; petitioning Apple to
>>>>> make the App Store licensing terms GPL-compatible in the meantime is not a
>>>>> bad option. But if that doesn't happen… well, how badly do people want Adium
>>>>> to be on the Mac App Store? If a framework like ChatKit were the only
>>>>> option, is there enough interest in the Mac App Store to explore that option
>>>>> again?
>>>>> I'd be willing to help. I've been needing a good open source project to work
>>>>> on for a while.
>>>>> -BJ
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Zachary West <zacw at adium.im> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 18:08, Christopher Forsythe <chris at growl.info>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Stephen Holt <sholt at adium.im> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jan 11, 2011, at 2:59 PM, Christopher Forsythe wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Can any of the libraries be taken out of adium in order to reduce this
>>>>>>>>> number?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> libglib is the big one, and no - libpurple depends on libglib.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's fine, I'd just need to start preparing to find all of these
>>>>>>> people and making a list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do we know what kind of permission we'd need to ask for? Is something
>>>>>>> like this adequate? "hey, we want make adium easier to download for
>>>>>>> users, and we have to do x, y, and z to do that. We need your
>>>>>>> permission in order to do that. Is it ok?"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is the intention to put Adium in the store for free or for sale?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This isn't going to happen, there's a huge amount of people who have
>>>>>> contributed to the projects. If even only one of them isn't contactable or
>>>>>> reachable it's gone. We basically need to relicense a core set of GPL
>>>>>> libraries and that isn't going to happen.
>>>>>> It would be free.
>>>>>> I'm going to write a blogpost and hopefully have our users spam Apple with
>>>>>> complaints. Not much more we can do.
>>>>>> Zac
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